Comments on: Help on Leading an Organic Church

By: Missional Church Refresher « Church Planting Novice

Missional Church Refresher « Church Planting Novice — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:51:46 +0000

[...] have found is Craig Van Gelder’s The Essence of the Church. Many readers were grateful for my partial review of his book The Ministry of the Missional Church. In The Essence of the Church, Van Gelder explains [...]

By: weekly roundup 6.7-6.13 « mission:contend

weekly roundup 6.7-6.13 « mission:contend — Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:31:20 +0000

[...] Help on Leading an Organic Church [...]

By: Deacon

Deacon — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:25:55 +0000

Usher: Didn’t Christ stop at 12?

Deacon: Your point?

Usher: Everywhere we go, people are trying to establish numbers, numbers, numbers….

By: toddbumgarner

toddbumgarner — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:14:04 +0000

You’re awesome. Thanks.

By: jdodson

jdodson — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:42:02 +0000

Last quote was from Van Gelder and follows on the heels of his discussion regarding the Spirit-led developments of the early church in Acts (p. 159).

By: toddbumgarner

toddbumgarner — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:13:06 +0000

I love the last quote in the post and want to rip it off. Was it from Van Gelder’s book, and if so, where at? I’d like to get the rest of his context around it.

By: Organic Church Leadership « Simply Missional

Organic Church Leadership « Simply Missional — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:28:57 +0000

[...] morning he posted some great thoughts on leading an organic church, check out the quote below: The church is not a [...]

By: jdodson

jdodson — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:19:32 +0000

Yeah, my sin is in all this too…wanting numerical growth, so wanting to create programs and systems that stimulate it instead of faithfully discipling and leading missionally with constant openness to the Spirit.

Glad the post was helpful. Glad you are in Austin. See you tomorrow night

By: Jacob Vanhorn

Jacob Vanhorn — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 14:05:49 +0000

As we’ve discussed, this describes much of the tension that we have been in. Much of my tension comes from the desire to create something and I tend to create systems and strategies, rather than the hard work of creating disciples and then waiting. I also need to lay down the sin in me that I have something to prove to others. Obviously, it is complex. But also so simple.

Thanks for this. I am ordering the book. You have great books.